LBSCR C2/C2X

[Nigel ChandlerParticipant]

My very first posting in the forum, and it’s one requesting assistance.

At EXPO EM I acquired a Nucast kit of the above loco, all too aware I need to buy wheels etc. The instructions; reasonably comprehensive, state the dimensions for driving, and tender wheels, but not the number of spokes pertinent to each. Photos of this loco are far from prolific, and many of those I have found, are not the best quality. Albeit for the loco I have determined they are 16 spoke, the tender wheels in this aspect remain a mystery, I suspect it is 10. Could someone therefore please confirm or correct the number of spokes for each type of wheel. I thank you in advance for your assistance. The intention is to construct it for the period 1923-30.

regards

Nigel

• This topic was modified 1 year, 12 months ago by Nigel Chandler.

[Paul TomlinsonParticipant]

Nigel, Hello. According to my old “Sharman” book, the specs are as follows:

Loco 5’0″ 16sp, 24″ wheel throw, crankpin in line

Tender 3’9″ 12sp

All the best with the build.

[Nigel ChandlerParticipant]

Thank you very much indeed.

Nigel

[Nigel ChandlerParticipant]

A form of update regarding the aforementioned loco; from the small amount of  information I have been able to pool together, one article with a very good overview of these locos, and pertinent rebuilds etc, highlights the fact that the LBSCR and SR  never formalised a designation to rebuilt locos, ergo C2 and C2X are interchangeable, although outwardly there will be notable differences. I have, at present, come to the conclusion, that barely two locos within these two designations are the same, ergo to construct an accurate model will require photos of the real thing. When one considers the simple fact, that this class was a “maid-of-all-work”, and barely worth the while of errant “snappers” of the day, albeit I do have a good few photos to fall back on, and shall seek out more. I am only too aware it won’t happen overnight, something my day job bears out, where I spend around 80 to 90% of my time researching.

Also would I be correct in assuming Alan Gibson’s standard loco axles are 2mm. His catalogue makes no mention of the size. Without knowing this means I cannot order the desired hornblocks, it being my intention to spring the chassis with CSB.

regards

 

Nigel

 

 

[Paul TomlinsonParticipant]

Hi Nigel. To pick up on the points you raised, I’d agree that the best plan is to model a prototype for which you have a clear photograph – for LNER J69’s, for example, there’s a seemingly endless number of combinations of different buffers, chimneys, cab roofs, safety valves, wide and narrow tanks, wheel spokes…. Locomotives Illustrated no. 64 features, among others, the C2/C2X, Mike Morant has published a few of the C2/C2X online – https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/SR-and-BRS/LBSCR-tender-locomotives/LBSCR-C2X

I believe that the “X” in C2X denotes a larger diameter boiler – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_C2_class

Alan Gibson uses 1/8″ as standard for loco axles – though he does do other diameters in his “conversion” sets, to match whatever the RTR manufacturer used. Must be a bit of a nightmare for him… I’m pretty sure he uses 2mm for bogie and tender wheels.

I too like CSB as a means of suspension.

All the best.

[Nigel ChandlerParticipant]

Once again Paul, thank you.

regards

Nigel

 

[Paul TomlinsonParticipant]

Nigel, at the risk of badgering you to death(!), I’ve just come across a couple of copies of “Southern Way”, secondhand, which feature the C2/C2X classes, at a saving over new. Just in case it would be of interest, heres a link to one of them. The second part is in vol.10, also available from the same seller.

https://rail-books.co.uk/products/the-southern-way-issue-9-9781906419288

All the best.

[Nigel ChandlerParticipant]

Dear Paul

On the contrary, I am extremely grateful for your assistance. Southern Way 9 I have, but the vendor didn’t have #10. For books in general I use abebooks.com, chiefly because you can register an interest without obligation to purchase. My house is more akin to a library, due in no small part to my profession.

kind regards

Nigel

[Eric GatesParticipant]

On Nigel Chandler said

A form of update regarding the aforementioned loco; from the small amount of  information I have been able to pool together, one article with a very good overview of these locos, and pertinent rebuilds etc, highlights the fact that the LBSCR and SR  never formalised a designation to rebuilt locos, ergo C2 and C2X are interchangeable, although outwardly there will be notable differences. I have, at present, come to the conclusion, that barely two locos within these two designations are the same, ergo to construct an accurate model will require photos of the real thing. When one considers the simple fact, that this class was a “maid-of-all-work”, and barely worth the while of errant “snappers” of the day, albeit I do have a good few photos to fall back on, and shall seek out more. I am only too aware it won’t happen overnight, something my day job bears out, where I spend around 80 to 90% of my time researching.

regards

 

Nigel

 

 

Normal Brighton practice was to add an “x” to a class designation when there was a major rebuild. Quite a few Terriers were converted to A1x (from the original A1), a couple of D and E tanks and most of the Billinton classes were subject to rebuild. A C2x is a substantially bigger loco than a C2!

Like most large classes, individual locos varied over the years, so a decent photos is an essential starting point.

Best wishes

Eric

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