Bachman Ivatt 2MT

[Adrian NormanParticipant]

I’m interested in the five locos allocated to the GE area. Two questions : Does anyone make a tall narrow chimney for the Darlington produced locos? and were they delivered in lined black in 1951. The published Dr Ian Allan photos are ambiguous, was it just that Cambridge depot kept them grubby?

[Adrian NormanParticipant]

More internet trawling gave an answer to the narrow chimney question – a Comet product available from Wizard.

[Paul WillisParticipant]

@Adrian Norman said:
I’m interested in the five locos allocated to the GE area. Two questions : … were they delivered in lined black in 1951. The published Dr Ian Allan photos are ambiguous, was it just that Cambridge depot kept them grubby?  

Hi Adrian,

I have no idea about the answer to your question. It’s about four decades after my period of modelling interest.

However, I am a member of the GER Society, and will ask the question on their e-list for you. Hopefully, I’ll be back with an answer soon.

Cheers
Paul Willis

[Paul WillisParticipant]

@Paul Willis said:

Hi Adrian,

I have no idea about the answer to your question. It’s about four decades after my period of modelling interest.

However, I am a member of the GER Society, and will ask the question on their e-list for you. Hopefully, I’ll be back with an answer soon.

Cheers
Paul Willis  

Adrian,

I’m pleased to say that GERS members responded swiftly, and have stated;

“My understanding is that all were delivered in lined BR Black, but at least 46465 was repainted in unlined BR black after a works visit to Darlington.”

“46467 was definitely lined black, at least whilst it carried the early BR emblem.”

I hope this helps with your modelling.
Cheers
Paul Willis

[Paul WillisParticipant]

And a further response with more details:

“I grew up in the 1950s at Haverhill on the Stour Valley and Colne Valley lines. My initial reaction was “of course they were lined black”, but as that was just my memory from many years ago I’ve just spent a very enjoyable morning looking through various books in my collection that could have useful photos. As has been mentioned earlier the majority of photos are inconclusive because the loco is dirty, the photo is taken from the wrong angle (virtually front on) or just poor reproduction.

However I have found the following showing clearly lined black livery:

46469 – 30 July 1951, earlier emblem – Colchester Steam – J D Mann.

46468 – undated, earlier emblem – 55 years of East Anglian Steam – Dr Ian Allen.

46469 – Spring 1958, later emblem – Stour Valley Album – E W Laurence.

46469 – March 1959, later emblem – Doctor on the Line – Dr Ian Allen.”

[Adrian NormanParticipant]

Thank you all for your helpful responses. I’ll go with lined black.

[Andy NeilParticipant]

Most secondary line locos, (passenger and freight), had minimal cleaning in the 1950’s and 60’s, unless they had a dedicated enthusiastic regular crew. (My opinion from reading!).

Early Emblems were ‘Early Emblems or Totems’.

Late Emblems were actually, ‘Crests’ (Coats of Arms), which should have the Lion only facing to the left. Early on in the introduction of these, some of these roundels were also produced in reverse, with the lion looking right. This was for use on the right-hand side of steam locomotives, so the Lion faced forward. This was how the original Early Emblem had been used .

This only lasted for a short time before someone pointed out it was not acceptable to reverse the designs of coats of arms. But, I do not know if any locos were corrected. I know some were not.

 

[Peter RigbyParticipant]

Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0s overhauled at Darlington received unlined black liveries, as this one represents. I am advised that the size of the crest on the tender is a little overlarge, but not by much in my view The chimney is a Comet part, the rest of the loco is Hornby, with Gibson wheels. It is seen here on John Elliott’s ‘Leeds City North’ layout in the South Carriage Sidings on station pilot duty. Lamps are yet to be added.

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