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Nick Ridgway.
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March 18, 2023 at 10:16 am #244170
Alan Gee
ParticipantI need 4mm Midland Railway crests and large MR for a new model. I have looked on Fox and Model Master sites who do not seem to do these transfers, Are there any other suppliers you could tell me about,
Also what are the best Midland crimson paint for spraying and what colour of undercoat is recommended. The loco is scratch built in brass. I prefer oil based paints,
kind regards
Alan Gee
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March 20, 2023 at 9:43 am #244187
Stuart Firth
ParticipantHi Midland loco decals have been produced by HMRS but are currently listed as Out of Stock – not much use I know !
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March 21, 2023 at 6:36 am #244193
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantPing an address to ennjayar (at) gmail dot com and I’ll post some to you.
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March 22, 2023 at 10:32 pm #244196
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantOn the way.
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March 22, 2023 at 10:41 pm #244197
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantThere isn’t a “best” colour. Perceived colour depends on a lot of factors not least of which is the colour of the illumination. Tungsten light is short of greens, blues and violet. Daylight has plenty of blue. Fluorescent light is strong in green. Paint viewed as a model will look different from the same paint viewed at 12” scale. Surface gloss is prominent on the real thing and, as it is a surface phenomenon, will look far too shiny in 4mm scale. Further, the thickness of the paint varies by a factor of 76. Crimson red pigments are fairly translucent, so go model paint one will find it bulked-up with blue pigment so that the same effect is had with a thinner coat.
I try not to go overboard on the pursuit of accuracy. After all, the prototype is not fitted with 12Vdc electric motors, phosphor bronze pickups and a worm-drive gearbox.
Think theatre. Suspend disbelief. We’re creating an illusion based on reality.
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Nick Ridgway.
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March 23, 2023 at 9:56 am #244203
Alan Gee
ParticipantHello Nick,
I asked about colour as last time I spray painted a loco in Midland Red it looked more pink than crimson. I used flat white undercoat on brass then railmatch 610 LMS crimson lake. I was wondering if I used a light grey undercoat and a different source of crimson paint I would get a much deeper result.
Thanks again for the kind offer of transfers.
Alan
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March 23, 2023 at 6:17 pm #244208
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantGlad they arrived.
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March 24, 2023 at 2:27 pm #244212
Stuart Firth
ParticipantWasn’t British Leyland Damask Red meant to bbe a good match? You won’t get it from Halfords any more but a car paint place could mix you some
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March 28, 2023 at 10:10 am #244256
Alan Gee
ParticipantJust a note to thank you all for the postings.
Kind regards
Alan Gee
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May 1, 2023 at 2:14 am #244651
Lez Zahra
ParticipantBritish Leyland Damask Red is my rattle can of choice. Getting them is now a problem but as mentioned above you can get it mixed from a car sprayers. Railmatch enamel do a bottle of crimson lake that’s quite a good match as well. That’s all I’ve got mate.
Regards Lez.Z.
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May 5, 2023 at 6:18 am #244753
Paul Willis
ParticipantI asked about colour as last time I spray painted a loco in Midland Red it looked more pink than crimson. I used flat white undercoat on brass then railmatch 610 LMS crimson lake. I was wondering if I used a light grey undercoat and a different source of crimson paint I would get a much deeper result.
Morning! I had to wait until I was back home before replying to this. That’s because I could access my Midland Railway reference books for confirmation of what I suspected.
Changing the colour of the top coat won’t give much of an improved result, if any. What you need to do is follow the prototype, and use a red oxide undercoat. All reds are very translucent, and the colour of the undercoat greatly affects them. It’s the same for vermillion for buffer beams as well.
The earliest Midland paint specification that Essery quotes is from 1891, and details (in summary):
- two coats of Oxide
- two coats of Oxide and Lake
- three coats of varnish
Hope that this inspires you to try it differently next time.
Best,
Paul
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May 5, 2023 at 2:08 pm #244760
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantI wonder if the completed loco will appear on the test track at ExpoEM?🤔
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May 6, 2023 at 10:39 am #244762
Alan Gee
ParticipantHello Nick,
Unfortunately the EM gauge test track would be of very little use for this locomotive. Although I have been a member of our Society for many years my passion is the 3ft Irish narrow gauge in 4mm scale therefore running on 12mm track.
The locomotive I am currently modelling is a Ballymena and Larne 2-4-2 compound tank locomotive made by Beyer Peacock. The Midland Railway purchased the B&L with other Irish lines and incorporated them all into the Northern Counties Committee. When the LMS took over the B&L locomotives were repainted in the old Midland Railway Livery and that is how I hope paint my model with the Midland crest and small NCC lettering.
I enclose a picture of progress to date.
Thanking everybody for their postings.
Alan Gee
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May 17, 2023 at 6:31 pm #245004
Steve Young
KeymasterMight be a bit late, but have just been advised by their Publicity Officer that most of the HMRS transfers are now back in stock. I’ve not looked myself, so no shooting me as I’m just the messenger.
Steve Young EMGS Newsletter Editor.
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June 14, 2023 at 12:39 pm #245302
Alan Gee
ParticipantHello
I just thought members may like to see the finished Ballymena and Larne 2-4-2 compound tank. Paints used from Phoenix Precision P980 red oxide and P350 MR crimson lake. many thanks to all members who contributed to my request for help,
kind regards
Alan Gee
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June 14, 2023 at 4:39 pm #245324
Nick Ridgway
ParticipantI’d like to see them when they appear. 🙂 .
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